諗

See also: 谂
諗 U+8AD7, 諗
CJK UNIFIED IDEOGRAPH-8AD7
← 論
[U+8AD6] 		CJK Unified Ideographs 諘 →
[U+8AD8]

Translingual

Han character

諗 (radical 149, 言+8, 15 strokes, cangjie input 卜口人戈心 (YROIP), four-corner 08632, composition ⿰訁念)

References
  • KangXi: page 1169, character 1
  • Dai Kanwa Jiten: character 35660
  • Dae Jaweon: page 1634, character 2
  • Hanyu Da Zidian: volume 6, page 3989, character 3
  • Unihan data for U+8AD7

Chinese

Glyph origin
Characters in the same phonetic series (念) (Zhengzhang, 2003) 
Old Chinese
淰 *rnɯːmʔ, *nɯːmʔ, *hnjɯmʔ
唸 *tɯːms, *tɯːns
埝 *tɯːms, *nɯːb
趝 *klɯːms, *n̥ʰɯːms
諗 *hnjɯmʔ
稔 *njɯːm
棯 *njɯmʔ
腍 *njɯmʔ
捻 *nɯːb
錜 *nɯːb
敜 *nɯːb
惗 *nɯːb, *sens
菍 *nɯːb, *nɯːd

Etymology 1
trad. 諗
simp. 谂
variant forms 恁

Probably a Kra-Dai substrate word. Compare Zhuang naemj (“to think”). This root occurs in several Zhuang dialects and Mien, and in Liuzhou Mandarin nɐn⁵⁴.

Bai (1980) associates this word with 恁 (“to think”).

Bauer (1996) argues the direction of borrowing of this word is not certain, and it is just as likely that Zhuang and/or Mien borrowed it from Cantonese as the other way round. This root does not seem to occur in the Tibeto-Burman languages.

Pronunciation

Definitions

諗

  1. (Cantonese) to think; to ponder
  2. (Cantonese) to think; to guess; to reckon
    我諗你哋都唔記得㗎喇。 [Cantonese, trad.]
    我谂你哋都唔记得㗎喇。 [Cantonese, simp.]
    Ngo5 nam2 nei5 dei6 dou1 m4 gei3 dak1 gaa3 laa3. [Jyutping]
    I think you don't remember.
Synonyms

Compounds
  • 大諗頭／大谂头
  • 心諗／心谂
  • 抵得諗／抵得谂
  • 抵諗／抵谂
  • 禁諗／禁谂
  • 諗住／谂住
  • 諗唔開／谂唔开
  • 諗嘢唔經大腦／谂嘢唔经大脑
  • 諗嚟度去／谂嚟度去
  • 諗埋一便／谂埋一便
  • 諗埋一邊／谂埋一边
  • 諗掂／谂掂
  • 諗法／谂法
  • 諗真啲／谂真啲

Etymology 2
trad. 諗
simp. 谂

Pronunciation
Rime
Character 諗
Reading # 1/1
Initial (聲) 書 (26)
Final (韻) 侵 (139)
Tone (調) Rising (X)
Openness (開合) Open
Division (等) III
Fanqie 式任切
Reconstructions
Zhengzhang
Shangfang		 /ɕiɪmX/
Pan
Wuyun		 /ɕimX/
Shao
Rongfen		 /ɕjemX/
Edwin
Pulleyblank		 /ɕimX/
Li
Rong		 /ɕiəmX/
Wang
Li		 /ɕĭĕmX/
Bernard
Karlgren		 /ɕi̯əmX/
Expected
Mandarin
Reflex		 shěn
Baxter–Sagart system 1.1 (2014)
Character 諗
Reading # 1/1
Modern
Beijing
(Pinyin)		 shěn
Middle
Chinese		 ‹ syimX ›
Old
Chinese		 /*n̥imʔ/
English remonstrate

Notes for Old Chinese notations in the Baxter–Sagart system:

* Parentheses "()" indicate uncertain presence;
* Square brackets "[]" indicate uncertain identity, e.g. *[t] as coda may in fact be *-t or *-p;
* Angle brackets "<>" indicate infix;
* Hyphen "-" indicates morpheme boundary;

* Period "." indicates syllable boundary.
Zhengzhang system (2003)
Character 諗
Reading # 1/1
No. 9494
Phonetic
component		 念
Rime
group		 侵
Rime
subdivision		 1
Corresponding
MC rime
Old
Chinese		 /*hnjɯmʔ/
Notes 荏由任校改

Definitions

諗

  1. to exhort; to reprimand
  2. to long for
  3. to know; to understand thoroughly
  4. to inform

Etymology 3
For pronunciation and definitions of 諗 – see 𩐭.
(This character, 諗, is a variant form of 𩐭.)

References

Japanese

Kanji
諗

(uncommon “Hyōgai” kanji)

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Readings
  • On (unclassified): しん (shin); じょう (jō); にょう (nyō)
  • Kun: いさめる (isameru)

Korean

Hanja

諗 (eum 심 (sim))

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Vietnamese

Han character

諗: Hán Nôm readings: thẩm

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References
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